Emily: 0:00

Welcome to wellness. Miss the podcast where we take a hard look at the nutrition and wellness industry through a no bullshit lens. My name is, and I'm an anti-intuitive eating ed diet and yoga.

Vanessa: 0:13

And my name's Vanessa. I am also a registered dietician and I specialize in hormone. Emily. And I met back in college when we were studying to be dieticians and we basically never left each other's side. Since the moment we met and post grad, we haven't really left each other's side either we live across the country from each other, but that hasn't stopped us from being business partners and talking almost every minute of every day.

Emily: 0:41

This is all very true. And Vanessa and I decided that we wanted share some of these conversations with everyone. So with that, let's get into this week's

Vanessa: 1:02

Welcome to Wellness Myths. So this week we are talking about the carnivore diet.

Emily: 1:08

This one is going to just absolutely send me, and I have to say that I didn't really do any research about this one. So it's gonna be all of Vanessa this week, and you can just hear my live reactions, which I think will still be like a pretty fair contribution honestly.

Vanessa: 1:21

Yeah, I think Emily will have a lot to say about this. So, Actually, this was a listener request, so shout out to Bailey. She popped into our dms and was like, Hey, you guys should be doing an episode about the carnivore diet, because I've been seeing it all over my Instagram lately, and I'm so glad she did because I've been seeing it around a ton too. So I'm pretty excited to do this one. I brought this up with another dietician recently and. So there's also a subsection of the carnivore dieters that are raw carnivore dieters which we're not really gonna talk about today cause that would be like a whole podcast in and of itself. But that pod Raw Raw, yeah, raw carnivore. And that that dietician went well. I hope those people go just eat some raw pork and that'll finish'em off cause. Because like raw or undercooked part pork, you can get trico from, which is not necessarily fatal, but it can be fatal in serious cases. So it's definitely like one of those meats that like, you don't want to eat pork that's pink or that's bleeding, like in the same way that you would maybe eat a steak like that and it would be okay. So it just cracked me up that she said that because I was like, Oh my gosh. And then she was like, Oh, wow. I probably shouldn't have said that. I was like, No, you're, It's the right audience.

Emily: 2:48

The only people or, well, let's say like beings that are eating raw meat that I know about like right now, are cats. Like, some cats eat like a raw meat diet, don't they?

Vanessa: 3:00

Or dogs? Yeah, I mean, any. Really. But that's much different. And I actually made a note about that to talk about at some point, cuz some people will argue that like, why can dogs eat rammy? And we can't, We'll talk about that in a little bit. I mean, why are we even asking those kinds of questions? It's so ridiculous. But I'll answer it anyway. I also actually kind of off topic, but I wanted to mention this on. So I actually, I, I went into my dms today on Instagram and I had a request, like someone was requesting to send me a dm and I went in and it was like a local Herbal Life distributor that was sending me a coupon.

Emily: 3:42

No.

Vanessa: 3:44

I was like, Oh my gosh. Obviously they don't listen to the podcast because they definitely would not be sending me that coupon. If they did, or maybe like they're trying to convert me over, I'm not really sure, but it cracked me up. I was like, I'm not your audience.

Emily: 3:59

Oh my God, that's definitely staying in the request for sure.

Vanessa: 4:02

Yes, Yes it is.

Emily: 4:04

Yikes.

Vanessa: 4:05

Okay, so let's dive into the carnivore diet. So what is the carnivore diet? It's basically exactly what it sounds like. So people who are participating in this diet are only eating meat or animal products for every meal. So hardcore carnivore, dieters. Literally no fruits, no veggies, no grains, no legumes, no nuts, no seeds, nothing that doesn't come from an animal. It is animal products only. It's Emily's face right now is so funny because she is obviously a vegan. So this is literally the opposite of the

Emily: 4:43

Literally the opposite. Truly the opposite. I'm just so confused. Like I just, I feel like it's super interesting because it just reminds, it's just like another high protein diet. Like at the end of the day, I'm, I'm really curious to hear more.

Vanessa: 4:59

It's very high protein and it's also very low carb. So obviously dairy products you're gonna get some carbs from but virtually everything else you're not. So it's, it's very, very low carb. And so, With it being low carb people will start to feel really good. And we talked about this a little bit last night actually in our group coaching session about how we have this, you know, if you immediately cut carbs out of your diet, you might feel. really good for a minute, and that's because you're not experiencing those same kind of blood sugar spikes that you may have before. Does that mean that's good for you? Or sustainable? Absolutely not. But it is not, We are not saying that you might not feel good at first in doing something like. We're not promoting it at all, but yeah, it's very, you know, we can expect that you might feel really good at first if you're avoiding a blood sugar.

Emily: 6:01

Especially if like, you know, you've really, you really feel like this is the right move for you and you feel excited when you first begin a diet. And I think that placebo effect can be really real. But like Vanessa said, there's. So many dangers to not having carbs, even though you might feel like that short term benefit of being off of the rollercoaster. I, like I said, I did not really do any research, but the one thing that I did see that popped up was James Blunt, like the singer he developed scurvy, which is a vitamin C deficiency after attempting the carnivore diet.

Vanessa: 6:34

Oh my gosh.

Emily: 6:36

Yeah. And you wanna know whose crazy ass made this a thing? Do you know

Vanessa: 6:43

No,

Emily: 6:44

Joe Rogan? Of course. Which wouldn't it just be the best to do an episode on him? Like, Oh my God, that would be so good. We have to do that too. We could do episodes on specific Joe Rogan, like Joe Rogan React podcast. That's like what we could provide.

Vanessa: 7:01

like just a podcast about staying in your lane. Like just stay in your goddamn lane.

Emily: 7:07

What is his lane though? Honestly, I don't even know, but he did. Last January, Joe Rogan was like, Okay, it's World Carni War Month and he ate only me and fr like he decided, you know what? I saw what shit happened to James Blunt and I was like, I'm gonna put some oranges in here. But, but he also did it. And I think that, I'm sure that's probably why you see it more often.

Vanessa: 7:30

Yes, And you will see some people that are on a carnivore diet that will also eat fruit. I'm gonna talk about an influencer specifically because it's someone that always pops up on my stuff and I'm really not sure why. Like, I don't follow them, but their content always gets to me somehow. But yes, some carnivore dieters will eat fruit fruit and honey. But other than that, no veggies or anything like that. So what is the problem with doing this Okay, so if you're only eating animal products, obviously you're missing a lot of nutrients, right? And a big one of those would be fiber. So these people, I don't know how they're going to the bathroom.

Emily: 8:13

the constipation must be so real like

Vanessa: 8:16

I mean, they claim that it's all fine, but I just don't know how that would be possible. The other claim is that they're not eating veggies because they are resisting digestion and they're saying that that's bad. When really we think that's a good thing. When things resist digestion, that's what allows to, you know, feed our gut bacteria and bulk up our stools. So we like those things that resist digestion. Fiber is something that resists digestion, and that's why we love it so much. So it's really interesting because they're like, Why would you eat something that resists digestion that doesn't wanna be eaten as if a, a cow does want to be eaten?

Emily: 8:59

I was literally like right to have my vegan line there like so quickly, but you beat me to it.

Vanessa: 9:05

So obviously we're concerned just about, you know, cutting out food groups. And anytime we're, you know, restricting that much, we're gonna have deficiencies, potentially scurvy, I mean, that's really a perfect example of something that could easily happen on a diet like this. Something else that we're concerned about when we're eating animal products only. You're probably eating a lot, a lot of saturated fat. And while that's something that you know, unless you're keto or one of these other crazy diets, I wouldn't be too, too concerned about. But if you're eating like fat only kind of a problem and that's gonna put you at increased risk for heart disease.

Emily: 9:46

And there's a lot of research about the consumption of me and specifically red me and certain types of cancer, like, you know, gastric cancer, stomach cancer, all those things. I think it's like, Any study that kind of demonizes, like one specific food is sort of a problem and people might be like, Wow, she's vegan. She's gonna say that. Like, yeah, because it's, it's just kind of silly to me. Like I don't really understand. There's so many different lifestyle factors. Like if you eat processed meat all the time, where it's like when we talk about gluten-free diets, like, and they're like, Oh, people who like have an electively chosen gluten-free diet. They're not celiac or anything, their health is better. And it's like, well, yeah, because they have the resources to restrict certain food groups and to, you know, Have control over their diets, whereas people who are eating processed meat at every single meal sometimes aren't, right? Like fast food is the only option. Or you know, food from a food pantry is the only option. And so I think we just have to be really careful when we look at research like that and think, Okay, you know what really is like all the underlying extra characteristics. But that being said, You know when we see this sort of research, it's like if you have meat at every single meal for your protein, then you're missing out on a lot of other nutrients and also fiber like in the long term as well. So it might even be about like what you're missing out on, which having such a restrictive diet, or even having a diet that's like mostly made up of animal products can have that result.

Vanessa: 11:10

Yeah, I think that you said that in the perfect way. My biggest concern is what you're missing out on. And that gets me into, so this influencer, he's called the Carnivore MD on Instagram. I was looking at some of his content and he was going through all of these different things and being like, These are the real super foods, which we don't really subscribe to Super foods, but Okay, let's, let's go ahead and say, you know, let's pretend that we do for a minute. So he's saying that liver is a super food, and if I'm going to subscribe to super foods, I agree. Like liver is something that's super nutrient dense. It has super bioavailable nutrients. But the problem is most people don't want to eat liver every day or at all.

Emily: 12:02

Correct that that would be correct. It's also interesting too, like you don't think about like it's really nutrient and dense because like that's where the nutrients are stored like in, in a body and so Yeah, totally. I don't really see people like loving that food as much as they love like goji berries or something that's like the other super food I always think of.

Vanessa: 12:19

yeah. Yeah. And that's fine. It's like, yes, you might be eating some foods that are good for your health, but why are you resisting all of these other foods? Because those are just part of the picture. Yes, you're getting lots of nutrients from that, but you're not eating kale. This guy in particular always wears a kale is bullshit T-shirt. he, cuz he

Emily: 12:47

Oh, what

Vanessa: 12:49

Yeah, he doesn't eat vegetables. so he always is wearing this. Kale is, But he sells them too, so he's got swag. And so it's like, yeah, liver is, Kale has a lot of nutrients too. So why are you picking and choosing so hard? Like which nutrients you like the most?

Emily: 13:10

Yeah, I think it's just because that doesn't sell, it just doesn't sell merch. But I, so like they need the merch. Like that's, that's like ultimately what the. Issue is, I was also reading this other thing saying that, you know, at these high amounts of protein, that even that can be potentially, Too much stress on your kidneys. And this is like another op, another thing that like, we don't really like, we don't really need to talk about this very often because of the fact that like not most people aren't just like mainlining only protein, but you know, it's just another one of those things where it's like, oh my gosh. Like who knows if they're like at risk for this or not, and like, you know, this Carnivore md, whatever his name is, it's like he's. Pumping out this information without like any of the disclaimers. I even was talking to a friend about celery juice and she was like, Oh no. Like, are you gonna take that away from me? Like what? Like what's the deal with that? Like, asking my opinion and I was telling. This person that like, you know, if you're on warfare and or Coumadin, like any of these blood thinning drugs that you shouldn't be like having this huge intake of vitamin cancer. She's like, Oh my God, my mom's on that. Like, I could have easily just like given my mom a bunch of celery juice because the medical medium told me to without like any other knowledge. So it's like classic with all of these diets, but there's just no individualized thought at all, as

Vanessa: 14:30

and, and besides all of that too, so like for this person, with everyone, I think that's on a carnivore diet, pretty much every video of them is like shirtless or like smallest amount of clothing as possible. They want you to see like their ripped abs and like how good they look and they're also, and they feel like they're thriving, right. And I'm sure. Well, some of them might not actually be up, but I'm sure some of them like do feel really great and are doing great, but they're promoting this to everyone. and we have to remember that we all have different genetics too. So for someone that doesn't have any heart disease or issues with cholesterol or anything like that in their family, maybe they can eat quite a bit of saturated fat and be fine. Where someone else who, you know, has heart disease in their family and maybe has an LDL that's your bad cholesterol that's already a little bit high or borderline. And that diet's gonna send them right over the edge and, you know, put them more at risk for heart disease. So that's a big factor in this too, is remembering that we are not all the same. And that just happens from being born and having genetics So you can't eat the same as someone else and think that I'm going to thrive too. And especially with something really extreme like.

Emily: 15:57

A hundred percent. It just, it really doesn't make sense. And I think that like, you know, the things that we're talking about too, it's like even, like a lot of these risks would be happening, like even if you just made meat, like the main component of your diet, you know? So like, it's not even like, like you don't even have to be following the carnivore diet, like, So strictly to be getting some of these negative results. So that's also like another thing to me, it's almost like the opposite of keto where like since you're not really following keto that strictly, like you don't really have like any of, you're not actually in ketosis, Like basically nobody is. Because like nobody eats like the truly tiny amount of that you need to be in ketosis. But, With this one, it's like the wrists are still really much, so much there when you're just having like more meat than any other food in your diet. And I think there's this really like wild, pervasive thing lately that's like, I think it's sort of like the. anti vegan movement of like, Oh, like, you know, you're living off the land. You're meant to like eat these foods and coexist with these animals and whatever. And everyone's gonna have a different value system that they live by. But I think it's just really important to remember that like the. Plant-based diets in general are also like their own culture and their own like huge piece of diet culture and like I think everybody knows, like I don't follow that like for health reasons or diets reasons. And that's why I like, I don't just sit there preaching only plant-based nutrition all the time, but. and there, I think there's plenty of reasons to not eat those foods that have nothing to do with the nutrition of them, but like it really gets very tangled up. And so I think that like whenever we see a big surge and a trend in plant-based products, which a lot of times makes me happy and it's nice and it's, it's makes my life easier. It's kind of like, oh shit. Like it's gonna just kind of go the other way. The pendulum's gonna swing the other way. And then people are like, Oh my God, you're eating no animal products. Well, I'm going to eat all the animal products. And it's like, okay, it's just. So, so messy. And, but I just, I see how we've gotten to this point. I also see how people are like, this is what makes me strong and this is like, you know, it's like toxic masculinity in a diet, sort of. I just kinda have a hard idea that hard time thinking that like there's mostly female identifying people on this diet. Like, I'm sorry, it's, it's a man

Vanessa: 18:17

Absolutely not. Absolutely not. But that I'm, I'm glad that you brought up ancestors and things like that because that was actually my next bullet point because the people that are on these diets Yeah. Are really into. Saying just that, that this is how our ancestors ate, this is how we should eat. And people on the other side sometimes will say, Oh, your ancestors didn't live as long, or something like that. But that all that point is null to me. The point to me that really matters here, when we look at ancestors or you know, other, there's still Hunter Gather communities. Now are tribes in parts of the world, so we can look at those people right now. What is going on different between us and them? Our lives are wildly different. Like there's no comparison. You can't just look at. eating and be like, Oh, well they eat this way. And you know, they're doing really well and we eat a different way. And that's the only difference. Our lives are completely different in literally every way. So they live a different life. They are going out in like getting their food. They're gathering things, they're growing things themselves. They're foraging, they're literally active all day long. We go to the grocery store, we drive our car to the grocery store. Like that's not comparable in any way. So that argument is just so silly to me, except like, literally there's nothing the same about us other than like, we're humans. But our lives are completely different and eating is a small part of that. But we can't just like sub out, Oh, we're gonna eat like them, so everything's gonna be exactly the.

Emily: 20:04

A hundred percent. Yeah. It's reminded me of like, It's reminding of politics like majorly, like when people look at the Constitution and they're like, Oh my God, well it's gotta be exactly the same as how it was back then. It's like, no homey things have changed. Like you can't just apply an old set of rules and thinking to like, what's going on right now? And even if you spend like two hours in the gym, this kind of diet, Is for like people who are active, like NASA said all day long, not just like a couple hours even. Like that's, that's a long time to spend exercising in a day. But like even then it doesn't, it's not gonna even compare to what it used to be. And so that kind of old remarks, like with the paleo diet and stuff like that, all of these are just like fake bullshit. They're not diets. God, I just had a client. Doctor was like, Do the paleo diet. And it's like, what? Like this isn't medical advice. That's just like your own, Like you just pulled that from your ass and was like, Oh yeah, I heard about this. It's like, huh. It's so bizarre. This is not respected in the medical community, at least not the one that I'm in.

Vanessa: 21:07

Yeah, that's really frustrating to me sometimes with medical providers is that they will give ad some advice, not based on their, you know, medical knowledge. They will give it based on what they do. So diet is a big one with that. Breastfeeding is another big one there. Doctors, if they're, you know, male and they have a partner that breastfed, they will say, Oh yeah, Breastfeeding's great. And if they had a partner that did not breastfeed, they'll be like, Oh, I don't know. You don't have to breastfeed. Here's some formula. And it's literally just their experience. Like they're not going off of any knowledge there. by the way, is easily accessible to them. Like even if that's not something that was part of their formal training. Hello, You are a doctor because you know how to get to the resources and you should also be updating your knowledge frequently. Sorry, this is a little bit of a tangent,

Emily: 22:06

or angry.

Vanessa: 22:07

but,

Emily: 22:08

There's there's, I, I was seeing this other thing, like they, they say that like, and this is exactly why I was like, Oh, I'm suspicious. This is some toxic masculinity thing. And it's like they're constantly talking about weight loss with it, and then they're also talking about higher testosterone levels. Like that's a whole, like, huge piece of it. So it's just really interesting. And I also saw too, like, and the doctor that kind of made this diet Sean Baker, is that the same guy as the I.

Vanessa: 22:36

No,

Emily: 22:37

Different. Okay. So they must be like in a fight or something because they, they both have like the same idea. The book that he released was in 2018 and it was just called The Carnivore Diet. And he actually has this online community and like coaching platform that promotes it and like talks all about how like he can reverse all this chronic disease and like he's revolutionizing healthcare. And it's kind of like a wild situation because as we know, Putting everybody on the same diet is not gonna work. And the most wild situation is that his medical license was actually revoked the year prior.

Vanessa: 23:14

Wow. So that seems like, okay, don't quote me on this. I don't wanna get sued by anyone, but I'm pretty sure with my guy, the Carnivore md, he. Also a retired doctor most, and he's not old. So that doesn't happen very often. They go to school for a long time to retire when you're pretty young. So

Emily: 23:40

I'm sure this

Vanessa: 23:41

thing could have happened.

Emily: 23:43

Totally. And I feel like there's probably a lot of like anti-vax overlap with these people as well. It's just, it's just feeling right, that like, they're just so counter culture. They like, you know, I think that that could probably be another reason too. Why why we see an early retire doctor or something like that. I, I just see a lot of overlap in.

Vanessa: 24:04

and I think that there is a lot of things that, you know, I, as I was watching some videos and things like that today as research for this podcast. I was thinking these are really easy to get sucked into. Like they take these little points and they back it up with science a lot because these are smart people. They know how to access data and they know how to read data and they know how to skew data.

Emily: 24:34

totally.

Vanessa: 24:35

So it's very, very convincing sometimes and especially for someone who maybe isn't, you know, in the health field or in a science field, it's much harder to interpret that kind of stuff if you're not trained to do so. So they're very good at what they do and they can be very, very convincing. And there was a few studies where I was like, Oh man, like I gotta look back at that. We all know that, you know, going from one study is not good science, but either way. There was another thing I wanted to bring up. Well, I'm gonna talk about raw milk in a moment too, because this is always something that's big with carnivore dieters. But before we talk about that, I wanted to, Cause this is kind of related to the, like ancestral. So the Carnivore md, he had a reel that he was talking about how heart disease was not a problem before 1900, and it's because we ate animal fats then. And ever since we started eating seed oils, that's

Emily: 25:41

Oh, here we go. Here we go with the attack on the seed oils. People live for this

Vanessa: 25:48

Yes. Yes. Well, they don't yet, They don't eat seed oils. You would only eat animal fat if you are a carnivore dieter. it's wild to me again. Okay, so if we, you know, go back in time, think of what life might have been in the 19 hundreds versus now, and how many things have changed even. down to like our toxin exposure. There are so many things that are different about our modern lives, and I'm not saying it was better or worse then, or it's better or worse now. But there's a ton of differences. So again, this is not like we can't make these references and being like, they didn't have heart disease now, and it's because we're eating seed oils. That's the reason we have heart disease today.

Emily: 26:40

The biggest thing too that I think is a good thing as one of our listeners to realize is like the whole correlation does not equal causation. And so just because this is true, it's true. Like we didn't have as many cases of this before and now we do. It's just everything is so vastly different and there's a lot of research to explain why. These types of illnesses have evolved and there's no research that can really support. Okay. It's just because we don't eat meat anymore. And like taking just one food out, like that's the other red flag that you kind of see like, Oh, they're just gonna villainize this other food. Like, no, no one food has that big of an impact on your health. It's just, it's just not true.

Vanessa: 27:24

Mm-hmm. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so let's talk about raw dairy products because this is something that carnivore dieters will promote often, and I think a lot of people just don't really understand what this is. So raw milk or raw cheese is simply just cheese or milk that is not pasteurized. Most states it's illegal. Oregon, I believe it's legal in there's a.

Emily: 27:50

I'm

Vanessa: 27:51

And I don't, it, to me it's kind of silly that's, it's illegal. Like it makes it sound like it's like a drug or something So basically it's not pasteurized, which means when we pasteurize foods, we warm them up really, really hot. We kill any bacteria that might be in that food. So we do the same thing with juice. So. By eating the unpasteurized product, you would just be at higher risk for a foodborne illness. Now can you eat raw cheese raw? Un pasteurized juice without getting sick. Of course you can. A lot of us do it all the time with juice. Obviously with those products too, you wanna make sure you're getting a fresher version. They're not gonna sit on the shelf as long. They're going to spoil much more quickly. They're going to accumulate bacteria much more quickly. So to keep, you know, the masses safe, we've decided we wanna pasteurize things which I think is generally good.

Emily: 28:47

Speaking as someone who literally got e coli from like unpasteurized apple cider as Vanessa did junior year.

Vanessa: 28:55

Yes, I did. It was very violent too, if you're wondering. So what the downside to pasteurizing is when we do that, we also kill off some nutrients. So sometimes people like to eat the raw product because it is more nutrient dense. So do I think eating raw products is terrible and you're going to die of some foodborne illness? Probably not, but you definitely wanna be careful. Make sure you know where it's coming from, and even if you do know where it's coming from, I mean, you're still at higher risk of getting some kind of bacteria that's going to make you sick. But

Emily: 29:28

For sure,

Vanessa: 29:29

are you, is it possible that you eat. Raw milk, ra cheese, unpasteurized juice for your whole life and never get a foodborne illness. Yeah, you definitely could.

Emily: 29:39

and there's other foods too. There's other foods that have risk of foodborne illness that aren't like radically different than that, like salami or romaine lettuce, and we don't stop eating those foods. I think it's just the fact that like we have the solution to the raw milk drama and the issues, so everyone's kind of like, Okay, well why wouldn't we do it? But yes, it's definitely not like, like the, the food actually has to have. Disease in it for it to occur. I think we kind of forget that, where it's like it's not just because you leave something out that it's going to be like that. It's just like if it had this disease in it, now it's able to grow, but it might not have even started off with that virus or whatever is in it.

Vanessa: 30:22

Yeah, exactly. So it's one of those things where, like I said, like do I think, Well, from a public health perspective, it's, it's good that we pasteurize things. Cause we just don't need to be dealing with all that. We don't need to be putting any extra stress on our medical system or anything like that.

Emily: 30:41

You'd think you could like truly just let everyone make their own decisions and, and have no sort of rules, but that clearly it does not work well. So,

Vanessa: 30:50

I know it. It's just like funny to me that in so many states, like it's illegal,

Emily: 30:57

The irony that, and you're like, it's like a drug, but in Portland, well, in like Oregon and all, like specifically the Portland area, like drugs are legal and like wrong. Like it's just funny because we just let it all be a free for all here kind of.

Vanessa: 31:10

Yeah. Yeah. So that's just my little note on on raw milk, raw cheese, unpasteurized things. Just cuz you will see that a lot with carnivore dieters. Also wanted to bring up the animals versus human. So like I said, there is a sub-sector of the carnivore dieters that are raw carnivore dieters. So this means they are eating raw meat, they are eating raw eggs which I mean God's feed to them. And a lot of times their argument will be, will animals. Raw meat and So I wanna get into something really important here, and it's that we are not the same species And I think that's really important to remember first and foremost also think about, would you go drink out of a stream or a river outside your house? Probably not. Now, would you let your dog drink out of a stream or river by your house? Probably. Is it going to, Has your dog ever done that and, you know, gotten violently Ill? Probably not. If you did the same thing, would you get violently Ill probably. So there is differences. So animals have much stronger stomach acids that kills bacteria. And so they tend to be a little hardier than us. Our stomach acid just isn't quite as strong, so it's not gonna kill that same bacteria. So that's why when they eat it, they're completely fine because they have evolved to be able to eat raw things. And we have not. So there you go. We can't eat raw, raw foods and animals can, I'm sorry, Maybe you'll reincarnate into another in another life and be a dog and then you can eat something raw.

Emily: 33:07

And even dogs, I feel like, I mean, they're like going back like in the, in the field of like evolution, Like I feel like at the. Point, like I don't know if my dogs could do that and survive because I feel like they're just so used to like eating their like little homemade vegan food that I feel like they're like softening as they kind of like become domesticated, like in our lives. But it just goes to show like things might change. Like Otis eats like a chicken wing on the sidewalk. Stop. Like you're supposed to be vegan, notice And he, and it's like he'll be sick because he's like not used to it. You know? It's like just the same thing. Like all it took was, you know, like a year of living with me. So it's like you think you're the same as an ancestral human being, you're not.

Vanessa: 33:51

It's so funny, like the differences between like city dogs versus country dogs like Brunos out here, literally like gnawing on like a dead deer in the backyard.

Emily: 34:01

God, it is so disgusting.

Vanessa: 34:04

It really is disgusting, but it's happening.

Emily: 34:08

they could not do they. They would not.

Vanessa: 34:11

Yeah, so bottom line don't, don't eat raw meat, please. You know, you could get away with a raw egg, but it still might make you sick. And why? I mean, I don't know. God. Speed again to you with that. Definitely don't eat raw pork though. If you if you're looking to stay alive and well, do not eat raw pork.

Emily: 34:37

Definitely, that's a really good guideline for just

Vanessa: 34:40

if you, if you don't take anything else away from this podcast today, just don't eat rock work and that's all you, all you really need to know. Last point I wanted to bring up about my carnivore MD Buddy is so he has a reel on his Instagram where he's in a grocery store. He's often doing reels in grocery stores. Pointing out, you know, different things on the shelves and talking about how terrible they are. And he does one with candy. And I thought this was timely cause we obviously just did our Halloween candy episode. He's holding up a bag of candy and he's going, This is all kids eat. Kids just eat candy all the time. And this is like legal drugs. This should be illegal.

Emily: 35:29

Oh my God. This is like really reminding me that we also need to do an episode on dyes and food and colorings and all that because that's another like huge argument that people love to talk about with like the kid food.

Vanessa: 35:42

Yeah, but Yeah, I,

Emily: 35:46

really bad.

Vanessa: 35:47

yeah. I have so many words to say about the dyes also, but Yes, it was very like jarring and just why are you trying to, Okay, first of all, that's not true. Like who are all these kids that are only just main lining candy?

Emily: 36:02

Yeah.

Vanessa: 36:04

I mean, I, I, I, Maybe they're out there. I think that most parents are not giving their kids candy for breakfast, lunch, dinner, but maybe they are. And then two, to be like, This should be illegal. These are legal drugs. Like, Oh my goodness. Yeah.

Emily: 36:22

know that guys like doped through his like D three college football experience and shit like that too. Like these people are, He was like in a frat, I just, it's just annoying to see like the vilifying of foods like that, especially when it's like so hypocritical and I know I'm just like making a guess, but it's like a well educated guess based on personal experience. So now you can listen to that little piece of advice from me. I'll use my personal experience on that one.

Vanessa: 36:52

I feel like Emily's like experiencing real trauma as we record this right now. Like she's really looking nervous. She's kind of like fidgeting a lot with everything that I bring up. She's like, Oh my gosh, I have so much work to do.

Emily: 37:06

No. Genuinely like that's an accurate assessment.

Vanessa: 37:10

But in summary hopefully you kind of got the highlights of the car carnivore diet. And as you probably would've imagined, it's not going to be our favorite cuz no diet is especially one that's this restrictive. And I hope that if. You know, something that you were thinking about or that you're currently doing that you kind of take these words into consideration. Think about what you're missing out on. That's the biggest thing. Yes, you're eating liver, super nutrient dense, but why aren't you eating kale? Kale has different stuff than the liver, and I'm just using kale as an example. It could be any food. But you're missing out on.

Emily: 37:50

Totally, and it's just not worth it. Like the purported benefits are not studied. They're not verified. And even if they were, you're still gonna have some side effects that are not a good thing. Like James Blunt, who got scurvy.

Vanessa: 38:05

Yeah, very sad and remem remembering that we are all genetically different as well, so different diets are going to affect us all differently, and that's why nutrition is so individual.

Emily: 38:18

a hundred percent.

Vanessa: 38:20

All right. So I think that about wraps us up about the Carnivore diet. If you do have any suggestions for podcasts that you want us to record, please let us know. We love doing listener requests.

Emily: 38:33

Yes, please tell us all of your suggestions. And I think that another suggestion we got was Medical medium semi-recently, even though we already did a celery juice episode. I feel like we definitely could go on for a while about the other aspects of him, and he's still ragingly popular, so.

Vanessa: 38:50

Well that's crazy. Well, we'll dive deeper into that. Until then, we'll see you next time.